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also German here, we have to get rid of the 100% perfection at launch expectation its crippling this country

Taxpayer money project being tied to a dependency on Apple google is 100% counter what that money should be used for.

You are copy pasting a “correct” argument against eu bureaucracy in the absolute wrong space


But things not in the launch can easily be deprioritized as budget issues indefinitely. “Oh why spend the money adding support for just a few people??” will be the line moving forward.

It would be cheaper to just buy all of the outliers a bottom of the barrel Android phone for them to use with the tax money.

Yes just like it’s cheaper to just provide people who can’t afford a phone in the US a phone by taxing other cell phone users - and I don’t have a problem with that.

And force them into the Google surveillance, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Collecting telemetry is not the same thing as surveillance. Using such vocabulary to describe what a phone does is both misleading and manipulating, playing into the angle of scaremongering people who do not want to be survived.

It really doesn't matter. When you power on an android smartphone with google play installed for the first time you are presented with a gate screen that asks you to consent to google's privacy policy. You can't use the phone without accepting. (for example https://forum.fairphone.com/t/finalising-the-setup-wizard-wi...)

Using smartphones with such a setup should not become required by a European government on a fundamental level.


It really does. Just calling everything racism makes racism acceptable to a lot of people.

Telemetry/tracking feels a more appropriate wording than “surveillance”. Exaggeration (in case it was one, not sure) also does not make an argument more compelling – quite the apposite with me at least.

And I use AdGuardHome, uBlock, VPNs, etc. I HATE tracking. But it’s not what the Chinese government does to their citizens for example, it’s not comparable.


So please tell us what the difference is.

With surveillance a person gets surveilled with telemetry a person doesn't. Telemetry is collecting information about the operation of the device. The goal of telemetry is to understand how the device is operating where with surveillance it is about seeing what a person is doing.

The types of data that's collected for these two purposes have a significant overlap.

Sufficiently detailed telemetry is indistinguishable from surveillance because even if the goal isn't to target you right now, they will still have the secondary option of going back and inspecting all that data you sent them if they ever are interested in you. Another secondary use of telemetry is selling it to someone else to squeeze out a bit more money. There's no downside to doing this, so any business that collects a lot of varied telemetry and likes making money might as well do it. And once the data is in the hands of adtech businesses, it becomes a whole lot more like tracking you personally than just collecting some data for development. In Google's case, you don't even need to hand it over to anyone else, everything stays in-house.


Do you imply that it's not possible for the US intelligence agencies to request this data from google per person of interest and deliver some information from the metadata?

I heavily doubt that.


What does it matter in practice? Do you seriously think Google, the targeted advertisement company, does not use that Telemetry for targeted advertisements?

Yes, I do seriously think that Google does not use anonymous telemetry for ad targeting.

Are you a lobbyist for Google, Apple, Meta, or the adtech industry? Because if you aren't, you are parroting their bullshit.

Save your keystrokes. I think I've seen that nickname express anti-consumer, pro-corporate, freedom-violating viewpoints in dozens of different threads on a pretty wide variety of topics at this point. Not once have I seen them take the pro-consumer stance.

The pro consumer standpoint is overly represented on this platform so often I can simply upvote points I agree with.

I am not a lobbyist, but I do recognize the great value the adtech industry provides to society and I am familiar with the common arguments and strategies people try and use to undermine it and sow distrust.

Genuinely curious to hear what great value you think is being delivered to society by adtech.

Any articles highlighting the great value?

> I do recognize the great value the adtech industry provides to society

good one, very funny.


This is not about 100% perfection at launch, this is about civil equality. Launching without broad support for use cases creates a two-tier society.

Refusing to send all your private data to the US to benefit their megacorps, using the tax payers' money, is not "perfection". It is the only reasonable and legal choice.

A 10% goal would be a good first step. Now excuse me while I read some tea leaves to find out if my trains will be on time tomorrow ( spoiler: they wont).

surely 10% of DB digital offerings work as expected, just not the 10% that is essential for train travel.

I love how just ordering a ticket is already a minefield for anyone not aware of how crappy german services are integrated. Pick one route, you will get a list of fully customized tickets that cover everything you need, pick another and you will get a list of tickets that will get you fined unless you carefully read through each and pick both a ticket that comes close to what you need and buy more tickets to cover any additional options.

The only thing near 100% perfection when it comes to german services is the full assery with which they are implemented.


So much hate.

Some time ago my "25% DB Card" ran out and was not active anymore, but the app did not display a warning. Even when buying a ticket from the app, it still had the "25% off" option activated by default.

Result: huge fine (something like 200 euros) on the train + I had to buy a completely new ticket (another 100+ euros) because the ticket I had bought ( which was 75% of original price) was considered completely invalid. I tried in all possible ways to get this fine reduced, as it was an honest mistake and arguably caused by their UX, but they did not budge.

I hate hate hate Deutsche Bahn with a passion, yet I still use it cause I'm an idiot who doesn't want to fly for short routes.


I noticed that it happens a lot "western media" etc, it's usually used at touchy topics


afaik it comes directly from your ID's card chip, there is an App inbetween that temporarily stores that data so it can be submitted to the service you are registering to


So the app could phone home if it so desires?


I just recently used my ID to register for a lottery website using the AusweissApp the first setup was a bit annoying, but once you are registered its actually easy to use and apparently you don't even need a phone you can use a card reader on your PC as well


I also want ceiling sockets :( https://plugsocketmuseum.nl/LampSockets1.html


In every house I've owned, I've replace the ceil fixtures with those you see in pictures 24 and 25. They aren't special or hard to get, but everyone who notices seems surprised that it's a thing. I'm not sure why more people don't do it, especially in rental properties, so you avoid having tenants mess around with screw drivers and exposed wire.

It installed correctly they can carry around 15kg, which is enough to most lamps. When you have a wife who constantly wants lamps moved around they are really handy.

Annoyingly people surprisingly often ask me to help with their lamps, not once have I encounter them having something as sensible as a ceiling socket, that apparently only exist in my house.



Why do you not have ceiling sockets? That's a very basic thing.


I grew up in the UK and had never seen such a thing, until I moved to Finland where they are damn-near universal.


I've never seen them either. They do seem very convenient.


I want them to make irons that plug into the light socket again.


Amazing, that's a thing I want to import.


When I feel like I have a virus I usually put on my hoody which I only wear when I feel ill and a scarf and before going to bed I drink a lot of herb or ginger tea (like two cans)

this is will heat up your body and you get some night sweats, this usually helps reducing the sick time.

I can't say if it actually helps, but its become a ritual for that occasion


Instead of making their shows exclusive they should make them time exclusive (1 year?) then sell a license


what are the arguments?


France is just very regressive when it comes to the internet, any laws which can make the situation worse is usually voted by all parties (see neighbouring rights or any anti-piracy laws), I don't think there's any real reasoning.


The country is predominantly Catholic. So both prudish views on sexual content, but also wanting to pretend sexual abuse by priests in their religion, and their religion protecting those priests, isn't the problem - nope, it's the interwebs creating child abusers. That is coupled with racist fear of terrorist attacks being committed by the African and middle eastern immigrant populations.

Sure are a lot of white elephants in the room with you...


As a French person, let me tell you you are wrong.

French people mostly don't give a shit about religion and do not have any prudish views. We have many nudists beaches and women are regularly topless on the beach. Talking about sex if accepted in society and between friends and family.

So it's not about that at all.

What most French people are though is little children that need to be guided and protected by the state. Without the state they are lost. If you look at the news, the most recurring theme is: "why hasn't the government solved this problem for us poor souls? We are helpless, help us!"

Therefore French people accept the state and all that it encompasses. They have little protests here and there and sometime they succeed in making the state back down but in the end the state usually wins.

It's a form of learned helplessness and a very sad and toxic relationship between the French state and it's citizens.


While I agree with you, this situation is also created by an all-encompassing State that rules every aspect of the French life.

Along with taking more than half of the citizens' income (on average), which dramatically restrains any agency that an individual would usually get from being self-sufficient financially. The snake eats its tail.


"only about 5% of Catholics in France attend mass regularly, which is roughly 2% of the entire French population"

https://www.europenowjournal.org/2019/10/02/the-catholic-nes...

In other words, your claims say more about you than France.


There's some old influence from the religion for sure but it's nowhere as important as you think.

France is still one of the least religious countries in Europe (Czech Republic usually being the least religious and France in the second position) and people talk about sex openly like a normal subject even at work.


I think you’re confusing France with Italy. France has had Simone de Beauvoir and still has a very strong feminist culture, had Mai 1968, has same-sex marriage since 2014 and 10 years later it was the first country in the world that added the right to aborption in its constitution; it has huge pride parades every year, not so long ago had an openly-gay Prime minister. It’s fine to talk about sex at work or with the family; you can see boobs on the cover of national newspapers and nobody talks about it because it’s perfectly fine.


>The country is predominantly Catholic

No. Most of the country professes no religion.


I don't think even Chatgpt or Grok could get it this wrong


or true E2E encryption


One thing that is true about the article is that E2EE encryption is nowhere near enough. Metadata leaks of any kind are probably worse than leaking data itself.

I very much prefer to guarantee that data doesn't leave my trusted servers in the first place, rather than to encrypt it.


>I very much prefer to guarantee that data doesn't leave my trusted servers in the first place, rather than to encrypt it.

what's the rationale behind this? The point of a server is to ... serve things. If you're not gonna exchange data you might as well put a hard drive in a closet.

The point of encryption, to securely send information across adversarial channels, has made it possible that I can take my most secret information and send it across my worst enemies network and I don't need to care. Who on earth wants to go back to a world where I have to hide plain text documents in the sock drawer?


DPI firewalled states like China show that they are extremely effective in adapting to new protocols.

Having a second diverse link that is cheap to setup would be an alternative.


we need a mandatory warning label for any services that were vibe coded.

I really don't want to sign up for a service and then get my shit leaked immediately


It will be interesting to see when this inverts - when it becomes scary to use an application that has only had humans review it and declare it safe and secure.


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