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Oh no it's the model that's ethical, not the company.

literally none of this is true

gross. I want to unread it now. annoying because this kind of brand degradation is something important to me. but that's not enough to make me read a Palantir AI dude.

maybe 20 years ago you could pull that same bird talk. now it has become extremely disingenuous.

don't sell your work short. it has value because it comes from you, and struggling to finish is unbelievably common in the creation process - not to mention frustration and a lack of joy.

if you're creating because you feel a drive to create, you are making art and that has intrinsic value to yourself and others. if however you are performing the act of musical creation as a means to an end, what you are doing may be better considered work and not art. the work of others can also be appreciated but it is different.

keep at it though. you are asking good questions and unlike many you are also personally engaging with them.



however you might feel about AI generated media, flooding platforms with unlabeled slop is nothing but scammer behavior and we should take serious measures to disincentivize it for both the uploaders and service providers.

I do suspect we are in for a lot of verified-human platforms where your fee goes to supporting establishing an artist or author's humanity beyond a reasonable doubt.


Is it free to upload these files? Maybe a 1¢ fee would be enough to kill a majority of the spam.

Effectively yes. There are plenty of music distributors that have “no fee” distribution where they simply take a percentage of any royalties.

I suspect we are going to see that model quickly go out of favour though.


really? there are ways of putting music on Spotify that don't involve paying a fee upfront at any time?

Yes, last I checked at least LANDR, Amuse and Tunecore all had plans where you release for free and they take a % of royalties.

Yes, lots.

What does human verification look like when you grant that it’s impossible to tell?

I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

A human can still upload tons of AI generated music though?

I don’t see how verifying that the author is a human helps in any way.

I also don’t think it’s a big problem but that’s another discussion


sounds like you don't really care about this honestly, so i'll reflect your apathy

why even type all that then?

What are any reasonable examples of how you can verify a song wasn't AI-generated?

e.g. Game speedrunners film the whole process to prove they did it themselves.

Presumably you had some ideas when you envisioned "human-verified platforms".


Follow musicians and bands that perform live would be my choice. If they write their music with AI and I still like it then that's ok by me. Obviously this doesn't scale if you are a platform operator but that's not my situation.

music can be performed live and in person. many musicians work with other musicians, labels, studios etc. a web of trust can be built and verification via performance is a compelling option. not complete but it's certainly an option.

would you as a label sign an artist you'd never seen perform? maybe there is value in a platform working under similar constraints.


With the internet and modern platforms, we democratized music so that you can make music in your bedroom and publish it without collaborating with a record label, produces, etc. So you'd have to put some of that cat back into the bag, but for what?

I guess there could exist a Spotify that is limited to music performed live for people who like that. Or simpler: a checkbox you can click to filter it to music known to have been performed live.

But that doesn't sound like something I'd want imposed on all music on a platform. Scrolling through my SoundCloud favorites right now, less than half of them perform live at all, and a lot of it is remixes that are never performed live. And most of them are pseudonymous. I'd lose more than half of my music if the platform required music to have been performed live. A lot of music isn't even performable live.


>But that doesn't sound like something I'd want imposed on all music on a platform.

that's fine. there's room for multiple platforms. personally I would pay for the thing I describe, sounds like you wouldn't. but the question is not whether you or i would, but whether enough people would to make it a viable business - whether it's the platform, or the method, or a label that licenses its music in a certain way, or what.


maybe “platforms” themselves are a bigger problem than anything about AI.

You can just buy music from artist directly, there has never been a need to use a platform


Same thing happened to me and it did not default to lossy. Days later I got the "you will stop receiving email soon" warning in Gmail.


Happened to me too, almost identically. Clearly this is a pattern across the major consumer cloud app/service providers.


i'm sorry but where are you seeing this completely opposite and substantial improvement?

>The team found nearly identical performance for the torpedo and standard bats except that the sweet spot for the torpedo bat was a half inch farther from the bat tip than the standard bat.

>“It was actually pretty phenomenal how close they were,” said Smith.

>For some players who like to hit the ball closer in, the torpedo bat might be a better option for them

some players with some batting characteristics may find this better? is that what you are referring to? What part of the article disputes this at all, let alone concludes the opposite? Is it the researcher's own quote? I really don't understand your objection here. It seems to be based on your own intuition about how players "generally" hit balls. But the researchers themselves have presented their own data and conclusions pretty clearly here.


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