Are there energy consumption differences between CGI and AI?

We also need to take into account, that CGI only consumes energy when the actual creation of particular video happens.

"AI" consumes energy before user even started (during training).

That is on top of comparison for each particular case.

Right idea, but the application is incorrect.

Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output, and represent the up front cost for the producer.

Both a movie and a language model can cost tens or hundreds of dollars to produce.

In both cases additional infrastructure is needed for efficient usage: movie theaters or streaming platforms for movies, and data centers with the GPUs for LLMs. This is also upfront (capex) costs.

At consumption time, the movie requires some additional resources, per viewing, whether it's a movie theater or streaming. Likewise, an llm consumes some resources at inference time. These are opex. In both cases, the marginal cost for inference/consumption is quite low.

  > Model training is similar to the creation of the cgi for the movie. Both happen before anyone consumes the output

I did not say anything about consumption of the output. Maybe you misread what I wrote, it is about energy consumption.

  > Both a movie and a language model can cost

But we weren't comparing cost of the movie to cost of a language model

  > can cost tens or hundreds of dollars

But we weren't talking about dollars, we were talking about energy.

We're clearly exploring different questions.

And that energy costs money, both at the training/cgi stage and at the inference/consumption stage. It's not even an externality.

CGI renders do use a lot of electricity relative to playing back the movie for individual viewers. It's perfectly analogous.

  > CGI renders do use a lot of electricity relative to playing back the movie for individual viewers. It's perfectly analogous.

I've literally laughed at loud after reading this.

I can't believe you're stretching this in a good faith.

But if you are - well, you're certainly have a unique perspective.

Reminds some of something a friend said towards the end of college: “it’s only like 12 thousand dollars a year to learn everything there is to know”

Take it with a grain of salt..

I get the punchline here but is there possibly some sort of Streisand effect where real people now are more inclined to use an em dash?

I think people are now less inclined to use an em dash, because they don’t want to be mistaken for an LLM.

Per the address and contact number at bottom did the (415) area code formerly encompass Palo Alto?

I've been using Waterfox the past month or two and it's great.

What does “ex-china” mean, excluding China?

Edit: did a quick find-in-page on mobile for “china” and it appears 0 times. Though notably China is missing from the geographic charts

Yes, excluding china. I don’t have a lot of companies based in china in my crawl data currently.

That makes sense, they have their own ecosystem for posting jobs there.

Got it, thanks. Good write up and presentation.

Do they even hire engineers from abroad, or at least from the West?

Why not? Tiktok certainly needed engineers?

It’s almost like HN is a great platform for the POSSE model!

Awesome share thanks for the link. Will send to a family member who is looking to gain viewership with their writing - they usually post on medium I think.

I don’t wholly disagree but consider it more a datapoint than an outlier that should be omitted.

Everybody knows delivery apps are shitty, if it were just gossip it wouldn’t matter but making specific allegations should be backed up with proof.

“Human food was never the focus”

I eagerly purchase insect/grub kibble for my dog - both fly and cricket based. Also a lot of vegetarian kibble, I am a vegetarian myself.

But still your dog doesn't really want to eat the bugs, it's just there's no bowl of steak next to it

Have you met dogs?

We had a dog who would pull watermelon rinds out of the compost pile to eat. We gave her nice bones, but it's not enough. Nothing is enough. All is food and food is all.

How mighty wolves have fallen...

How can you know that? Dogs were domesticated on being fed scraps to start with and came from wolves which are also natural scavengers and eat all sorts of nasty (to us) things. Ive seen many dogs happily gobble up insects, even stink bugs. Dogs don't even know what their food is made out of 95% of the time these days so im not sure anybody can claim they simply don't like eating insect food without some kind of study to back it up.

I was being a little facetious. Yes they probably "like" processed insect food designed for them, but for the average dog, I'm still betting on the steak.

Wolves scavenge opportunistically, but they are first apex predators. Their primary food drive is to hunt in packs for large game and gorge. Dogs are not so far removed.

Maybe it’s similar to onlyfans where people get to chat with or receive messages from a model. People also create accounts to upload content.