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Yeah, I'm not buying most of this story either. It sounds like a well designed malware distribution facility. GCHQ couldn't have done better.


Is it really a constant rate? Or is it a Law of Large Numbers kind of thing, where past a certain scale the randomness gets smoothed out and looks constant? Or something else?

(Obviously some developers are better or worse than others, so I presume your observation is assuming developer skill as a constant.)


Well, I think there are two things at play here.

1) As org size grows, it's the team's average quality that matters (so yes, large numbers).

2) Even with a single team, the velocity will increase to match the acceptable level of quality.

Management will push the accelerator until they get too many bugs, then it will be "we need fewer outages".

So, in an team+environment, you end up with a constant (in time) detection rate, which basically means a constant in time injection rate.

If the teams' velocity increases without increasing quality, the bug injection rate (and detection rate) will increase.

AKA if the AI is slightly worse, but 10x faster, stop carrying the pager. :)


A++ hand crafted satire. Top that, clankers!


I haven't used that site since they started blocking TOR.

(Yes, I know they have an onion. Try it some time. Guess which company's infrastructure blocks your anonymous request.)


Has any enterprising hacker here yet graphed price vs "output" over time since 2023, taking "quality" into account?

That's got to be a very tricky analysis given how subjective quality is. But I'm sure there are people trying to pin it down.


anything that compares proprietary models will be very miscalibrated and may not be indicative, there have been too many model changes in both chat and the api where model providers did not even say the word before it got too noticable


Quality would be performance against different given benchmarks, I assume?

There's multiple open weight models you can run on a pretty standard computer at home, which match the quality of GPT 4. I guess that would also change the equation.


artificial analysis has an intelligence benchmark


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Wow. Dude creates an account more than 5 years ago, doesn't say a single thing until today, posts a completely innocuous thank-you, and gets downvoted into the gray.

Shame on whoever did that. You should lose your downvoting rights. The community deserves better.


Just wanted to say hello and encourage you to share your perspective. I saw that you got flagged on your second ever comment (possibly because it sounded like your first). Unfortunately, there are some very itchy trigger fingers here when it comes to shooting down AI slop. Surviving long enough to get a few karma points and not be treated like a bot was much harder than I expected, so I want to toss you an upvote and thanks in advance for sticking with it.

I wish I could give you good, brief advice on how to avoid getting downvoted to death before you even get started. There are undoubtedly others who would do a better job. So I'll just say "try really hard not to appear like ChatGPT write your post."

Everything imaginable is being impacted by AI, in expected and in surprising ways. Communities are going to need to put extra effort into things that used to just happen, like welcoming new members. Here's mine.

(I hope I'm not wrong and that you're not actually a spammer. But I think my bet is safe enough. :-)


> From the article:

Is it possible that this article might have an agenda and is less than 100% accurate?


Big K is at it again!


If your newborn is bleeding there is something wrong and you need to address it.

See my longer comment above regarding this vitamin deficiency, why shots should not be the first response, and hints at why we have this status quo.


If your newborn is bleeding in their brain, you may not realize something is wrong until there are irreversible consequences. Preventative supplementation with vitamin K seems to be the best thing you can do to address it before it happens.


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What hypothetical? Vitamin K deficient bleeding can cause bleeding in the brain. It's mentioned in the article, and it's pretty common knowledge: https://www.cdc.gov/vitamin-k-deficiency/about/index.html

We're not just talking about a cut or scrape that bleeds uncontrollably, but also internal bleeding.

> Stop trying to push big pharma products by scaring people.

Vitamins? We're calling vitamins "big pharma products" now?

> Women have been delivering babies without needing to poke holes in them for as long as there have been women and babies.

Yeah, and I'm sure that there were deaths from VKDB back then, too. I'm not sure what this obsession with "poking holes" in babies is, either. It's an injection, they're not scary or traumatizing; it's a routine way of administering all kinds of medicine.


>> Stop trying to push big pharma products by scaring people.

> Vitamins? We're calling vitamins "big pharma products" now?

How cheaply disingenuous of you to equate "vitamins" with prescription only injectable interventions administered in a hospital setting.

Let's see. Who makes these "vitamins" you're questioning are big pharma?

Here's one provider. https://www.pfizer.com/products/product-detail/vitamin_k

Here's a product datasheet PDF for another. (It also happens to mention that the LD50 for this K1 formulation is 4-5 times higher for oral vs IV delivery. How interesting. See page 4.) https://imgcdn.mckesson.com/CumulusWeb/Click_and_learn/SDS_9...

That datasheet comes from the manufacturer, Hospira, who is a "small to medium pharma" company.

Oh, wait. Oops. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

Roche and Teva Pharma are the other 2 big ones, but I couldn't find promo or datasheets quickly so I'll leave it up to you.

> I'm not sure what this obsession with "poking holes" in babies is, either. It's an injection, they're not scary or traumatizing; it's a routine way of administering all kinds of medicine.

Tell us you know nothing about healthcare without using "health" or "care".

Did you forget that the totality of this discussion revolves around newborns who may need their vitamin K levels boosted to help them deal with injuries that cause bleeding? What, precisely, do you think happens when a doctor sticks a needle into a newborn? Magic?

You know, during the whole Covid debacle I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit talk about "misinformation" and "disinformation", because they were selectively using those terms to silence and attack legitimate, independent scientists and medical professionals who were trying to advance the public's understanding and ultimately save lives. At the time I wanted those terms stricken from the dictionary and anybody who used them fired from public service.

Thank you for giving me a whole new perspective. I now understand the urge to silence someone who is completely full of crap and is likely to cause harm to others if one listens to them.

Well done. You have changed my mind.


Stop this. We asked you not to fulminate on HN barely more than a week ago. Phrases like this are completely unacceptable here:

How cheaply disingenuous of you

Tell us you know nothing about healthcare without using "health" or "care".

Did you forget that the totality of this discussion revolves around*

What, precisely, do you think happens

I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit

I now understand the urge to silence someone who is completely full of crap and is likely to cause harm to others

I can't imagine there would be many people on HN or indeed anywhere who don't want babies to have the best health at the start of their life. It doesn't make us “good” people to use that to justify being so hostile, indeed aggressive, to others in a discussion forum.

Please have a good read of the guidelines and make an effort to observe them if you want to keep participating here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I am completely at a loss. We've administered these injections for something like 60 years. They've saved lives. I don't see why this is controversial.

> What, precisely, do you think happens when a doctor sticks a needle into a newborn? Magic?

A small amount of bleeding? That, if uncontrolled, can be quickly treated because it's administered in a hospital setting? I don't think bleeding from injection sites is the cause of VKDB fatalities!

> You know, during the whole Covid debacle I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit talk about "misinformation" and "disinformation", because they were selectively using those terms to silence and attack legitimate, independent scientists and medical professionals who were trying to advance the public's understanding and ultimately save lives.

Is this some attempt at praising the anti-COVID vaccine crowd? Because those people aren't the unjustly silenced "independent scientists and medical professionals," they're quacks who were wrong.

This was unfortunately a waste of time, because you don't seem to be interested in hearing about benefits of lifesaving medical interventions; instead, you just want to peddle conspiracies and invoke a fear of doctors. I am only glad that I made you so angry that you're hopefully done talking.


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Is this really necessary?


Yes. We have an effective medical intervention that saves the lives of babies. Halting this because of some imagined big pharma conspiracy to make more money from new parents by charging for Vitamin K shots creates more infant headstones. I find it reprehensible.


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