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USA and mainly Israel are the biggest threat for the way of living in Europe.

Especially for the economy and safety.


So these two are definitely amongst the biggest, but let's not forget about the Russians literally murdering our neighbors.

Well Russia doesn't have much going for it besides oil, nukes (and obviously Trump propping it up).

Lol every single comment in your posting history is one sentence that includes the world Israel.

Truth hurts some people. They start attacking the person instead of the message.

Israel's not even close to being the biggest threat for the way of living in Europe.

This is because Israel's neighbours who they are attacking aren't in Europe, and also there's a lot of tourists in Europe that Israel would like to be visiting them, but the point isn't why, it's just that Israel are not themselves a threat to Europe.

USA's probably number 2 threat after Russia. But neither Israel's nor the USA's belligerence regarding Iran seems to be so much as painting a target on European backs this time around. Which may be because Iran noticed the USA threatening Europe, IDK.


- Israel foments conflicts and urges/pressurizes the US to fight them out on its behalf - already confirmed by General Wesley Clark who talked about the Seven Nation Plan.

- Refugees flee those conflicts and move to the closest nations providing asylum en masse - Turkey and then the EU.

- Israeli and other Jewish NGOs facilitate refugee migrations to Europe in the name of humanitarianism.

The US at least helps/used to help protect Europe via NATO. Israel doesn't.


None of those things are a "biggest threat for the way of living in Europe", which is what I was quoting from the now flagged comment from juliusceasar.

Not even with the asylum seekers arriving via Turkey; though as the Turkish leadership actively tried to use the flow of asylum seekers to extract concessions from Europe, IMO Turkey gets the blame for that.

The US indeed used to help protect Europe via NATO, but even back then (so, two years ago), the much bigger metaphorical footprint of the US vs. Israel means the US posed a bigger threat than Israel currently does just by mis-stepping.

Israel may be important to the US, but the nation is just not that potent in any direction in Europe.


The US is a sovreign state. As such it is alone responsible for its actions. The conflict with Iran wouldn't be as hot without the US.

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Their comment is on topic, your's is not, and also what you're doing is against site guidelines.

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So? We have a Zionism crisis in the tech industry, expect people to discuss it. Mind you 100% of your comments are pro-Zionist propaganda.

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Why do you keep calling me ayatollah, again this is very much against site guidelines. Your account should be banned for attacking other users.

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Guess where the midlle-east mass migration comes from? Surely not from the US bombing the everliving shit out of folks living there and leaving us to deal with the fallout?

The only thing the US shows Europe is a cautionary tale of social decay and the consequences of letting Capital run their society.


I think it comes from the fact that Europe is a richer and better run society than the middle east is, along with modernity making it cheap and easy for people from the 3rd world to travel to rich western countries.

I mean, y'all gotta own the mess in the middle east too. That's far from a US solo production.

The latest mess is all on the Americans. But yes, the French were also not without blame.

When? The French are to blame for Algeria an most of Africa, but Lebanon is the ex-french colony that suffered the less from French rule, and used to be a perfect example of multiculturalism before a nearby rogue state started putting their greasy hands everywhere.

Unless you talk about Lybia, but that's not ME (and yes, 80% of the French)


> they're considerably freer and richer than the EU

Freer to bend over for ICE thugs, or is there some other definition of freedom that you’ve meant?

> especially when Europe is currently fighting a war in Ukraine

Ukraine is fighting war in Ukraine with financial support of Europe. Big difference.

> and struggling to handle mass middle-east immigration

Caused by US bombing.


Not Assad gassing his own people with chemical weapons with support of Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Sy...


Syria isn't part of Europe.

that’s the level of discussion here now. two comments up – "mass middle-east immigration".

Oh! From the lack of quotations I assumed you were replying to

  Freer to bend over for ICE thugs, or is there some other definition of freedom that you’ve meant?
not

  Caused by US bombing.
For Syria, my understanding is that there was a lot of bad intervention from a lot of different external actors, all of whom can independently take blame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_...

A country can be your largest trading partner and single biggest threat to sovereignty at the same time. Just ask Canadians.

I also take issue with the claim that Americans are freer or richer. The Iranian adventure, even were it to end immediately, has taken socialized medicine off the table for another generation of Americans, leaving typical Americans a lot poorer than salaries suggest. A ground invasion could easily bankrupt the U.S.. Meanwhile, Trump is trying to operate as a pre-Magna Carta king and the courts charged with stopping him are rapidly crumbling under pressure. This is a serious backslide into authoritarianism.


The irony about tRump is he sometimes says the quiet part out loud. He is a pathological liar yet at the same time he speaks truth. He revealed the USA's ruling Elite's desire to make Canada a vassal state. Arguably, the Canadian Elite did it when Brian Mulroney, (he was originally against it himself but the Business lobby told him otherwise: he dutifully complied with his donors), pushed and signed the free trade agreement: "I'm rolling the dice!". He was persuaded to put the decision to an election first. He won the majority of seats, but not the popular vote. He signed it anyway. Now, Canada finds itself in the position that his opposition warned about: that putting your eggs in one basket was taking a big risk that US wasn't going to be ruled by a Fascist Dictator.

But thanks to the Fascist Dictator Canadians have once again woken up to the folly of tying yourself so closely to a giant who goes rogue. The Republican Party should be deeply ashamed of themselves for kowtowing to tRump. Mind you, there is plenty of things the Republican Party should be ashamed about - they helped create the situation that would make the election of tRump possible - with their poverty inducing policies. The Republican Party is as loathsome as the Nazi Party.

And then there is the feckless Democrats. Absolutely useless.


Who do you think caused that mass immigration?

Most recently Russia and Iran's Hezbollah in Syria, and Yemen's civil war involving Iran's Houthis and Egypt/Saudi Arabia. The US was involved in the Syrian civil war but not responsible for most of the civilian destruction. People outside the region have this childish understanding of the ME where Iraq is the only thing that happened (conveniently also forgetting the much more brutal Iran-Iraq war).

And to further your point mass immigration into Europe isn't just recent; it's been happening for decades. For a while the Islamic state was encouraging attacks in Europe, and hundreds of people were killed by jihadists running cars through Christmas parades and similar events which peaked ~2016 and 2017. I think the largest was an attack in Nice, France on Bastille day killing 86 and injuring hundreds (https://grokipedia.com/page/2016_Nice_truck_attack) and another famous one I can think of was the christmas market attack in Berlin, killing 12 and injuring 56 (https://grokipedia.com/page/2016_Berlin_truck_attack). These were the result of economic immigration, unrelated to anything specific the US had done.

Where did the Islamic State come from?

The power vacuum after the US messed up Iraq and Syria. Every single wave of mass migration towards Europe is the direct result of the US choosing to bomb the Middle East. That's also part of why this time around, everybody's quite this annoyed at America.

Also please, use serious sources.


> It's incredible how social media addiction warps peoples minds

The most prominent victim of this appears to be the US president himself.


Have you missed the events of the past year under Trump? With literal claims of taking over EU territory?

I know that Trump is the equivalent of a hallucinating LLM, but you can’t just ignore his words whenever convenient.


> considerably freer and richer than the EU

Cope harder. The US doesn't offer a single example of being better than the EU.


It's always better to back up ones arguments with facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

The USA really hasn't been doing well lately.


That's just a small part of it. EU has a better quality of life, better food, better housing, better public infrastructure.

At least the US still has energy infrastructure, while the EU is forced to financially support Dictators in Tehran and Moscow to keep their economy from collapsing.

Oil is (close to) fungible, which means the higher prices in US fuel pumps are just as much financially supporting dictators in Tehran and Moscow as EU fuel pumps.

Ironically, the "close to" part is just enough to prevent the USA from isolating itself from the world market by refining and using what it currently exports.


Pretty sure the US does not buy energy from natural gas pipelines to Russia, neither are we shutting down all of our Nuclear Power Plants (like Germany) because it's green to import more gas ?

As an American I couldn't tell you what their logic is exactly.


> Pretty sure the US does not buy energy from natural gas pipelines to Russia, neither are we shutting down all of our Nuclear Power Plants (like Germany) because it's green to import more gas ?

Irrelevant. Natural gas isn't the only fossil fuel, the US trades oil on the global market, that oil trade cannot help but support all other petrostates.

Also, if you're talking about Germany in particular, renewables have significantly exceeded the peak share of nuclear power: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:StromerzeugungDeutschlan...

(Kernenergie == nuclear)

To use the table that the chart is supposed to be based on, the peak of nuclear production in Germany was only about 60% of 2025's renewables, 284.6 TWh renewables in 2025 vs 169.6 TWh nuclear in 2000: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromerzeugung_in_Deutschland


This article is literally about Europe rapidly building out its sovereign energy infrastructure?

Didn't trump remove sanctions to russia?

If your energy policy was "hope the Ayatollah doesn't have a bad hair day", you didn't have an energy policy.

Europe could have left their nuclear power plants turned on. Or drilled in the north sea. Or built LNG import terminals. These were all policy choices that had nothing to do with the US or Israel.


The energy policy is "let's build out renewables". It's happening rn and it's better than any of the options you mention.

> better than any of the options you mention.

Yeah, no. Merkel's deal to shut off the nuclear plants to make a coalition was 100% a blunder. Not only in hindsight, with the dependence on russian gas, but in general it was a blunder. Nuclear gives you steady energy in ways that renewables can't. We should absolutely do more renewables, but to shut off working nuclear was not good.


Nuclear is not that steady. Nuclear plants require a lot of water to cool things. And when a particular hot summer happens, rivers dry out and nuclear reactors have to scale down the power production or even be shutdown. And then they require quite significant maintenance periodically.

Granted, in Europe a hot dry summer is when solar is at its peak. So it is much lesser problem than a cold winter with a lot of cloudy days with no wind when nuclear energy is ideal.

Still from a perspective of 20 years ago with unknown prospects about renewables natural gas power stations were considered much more reliable and flexible power source compared with nuclear and way more cleaner than coal. Of cause, as long as one gets gas.


It is simply false that it was Merkel who decided to shut down nuclear power plants. The decision had been made over a decade earlier. She just accelerated the plan in the end after a previous unsuccessful attempt at rolling back part of it. It also wasn't even really her decision, it was the will of the people that sharply turned against nuclear after Fukushima, she just implemented it.

I don't disagree, though I see nuclear as an (overly expensive) bridge technology until storage becomes more built-out.

Well besides being 20 years too late. Germany's energy policy was basically do nothing to build renewables, close all nuclear plants and blindly trust Russia for decades...

Besides being a great friend of Putin one of Germany's previous chancellors was literally an openly paid Russian agent who didn't even try hiding it until 2022 (and who knows what "arrangements" he had before he left office...)


That is just straight up not true: https://www.techeblog.com/europe-balcony-solar-system/

Germany's been a pioneer in incentivizing personal solar installations.


In what way exactly anything I said was not true?

It was too little and too late and Germany only got serious about it when there were no longer any other options.

> personal solar installations

It was entirely insignificant back then and growth pretty much entirely stopped between 2012 and 2018.


You said "basically do nothing to build renewables", this is what they did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energiewende

The country looks pretty on-schedule to me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Energy_transition_scenari...

vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Energiemix_Deutschland.sv...


Again.. too little and too late and that plan was built around the assumption that they will continue having access to "cheap" Russian gas.

The planned graph is an almost straight line from 2005 to 2050, which it is following very closely in the best of German stereotypes.

A decade or so ago, this was described as:

  while the German approach is not unique worldwide, the speed and scope of the Energiewende are exceptional
While they could've done better in a magical alternate universe where the population was not terrified of nuclear power, the transition has in fact been very fast.

For a more detailed graph showing the scale of nuclear vs. renewable, including the period you're criticising in particular, page 12: https://web.archive.org/web/20160602074457/https://www.agora...


So you are implying the current economic mess Germany is in was planned?

i.e. they understood the risks of relying on Russia and made a conscience decision to build their plan for transitioning into renewables around it.


> So you are implying the current economic mess Germany is in was planned?

Just the energy transition.

The economic mess isn't even mostly about the energy, it's a grandfathered (literally) fear of hyperinflation that means the state is terrified of borrowing even when that's a good thing, plus the infamous bureaucracy which they now plan to solve with a 200-step plan: https://www.dw.com/en/german-leaders-plan-to-cut-red-tape-in...

This is also fairly easy to spot with the GDP graph, which is a long term trend of "line go up", just never quite as fast as the US's line, and the recent dip is quite small compared to that growth: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-worldbank?...

> i.e. they understood the risks of relying on Russia and made a conscience decision to build their plan for transitioning into renewables around it.

This was more due to the incorrect belief that nations which have an important trade relationship can use diplomacy to avoid conflict, i.e. Germany being an important customer of Russian oil means that Germany can make a credible threat to cause economic harm to Russia by ceasing to buy Russian oil if Russia does something dumb like invade Ukraine. Germany did in fact cause economic harm to Russia by ceasing (or massively reducing, I'm not clear) purchase of Russian oil, however it turned out that Russian leadership didn't care about economic harm to Russia.


> Or drilled in the north sea

We did. Most of the oil and gas there has now been removed and sold. Oil production peaked in 1999, gas in 2001.

If the same place, the North Sea specifically, was filled with wind farms, it could supply about half of the EU's electricity.

(If all the waters around the British Isles had wind farms, it becomes 140% of current EU total primary energy consumption or 660% of the electricity consumption, assuming I did the substitution efficiency multiplier right).

Guess what's getting built?


So, they will now start acting on those pedo list?

Oh wait, they have started 2nd Epstein War to distract from the same list.


What people do to distract the focus from Epstein list.

2nd Epstein war.


Hey, don't knock what works!

Operation Epstein Fury

EU should distant itself from USA and Israel, otherwise they will become a puppet state. Just like how Israel is controlling US narratives.

The classic antisemitic tropes, you are disgusting.

> As of 2023, Qatar was the largest foreign donor to US universities, having donated between 2001 and 2021 US$4.7 billion in open donations.[10] Some of these schools are considered amongst the most prestigious in the US and include Ivy league universities.[11][12][13][14]

For comparison, AIPAC spent a bit over 100 million in 2024.

This is just Israel vs Qatar, obviously there are many more big players compared to whom Israeli influence is a tiny fraction.


The US literally just went to war on Israel's behalf with nothing but downside for American citizens. That's not an "antisemetic trope" (not that that means anything), it's just reality.

Still amazed why nobody is charged despite so many evidence.

Mossad is really controlling USA.


There's a more obvious explanation.

Evidence such as?

Israel is the biggest thread for the region and the way of living in Europe.

Are you claiming Israel threatens to eradicate no-go zones, Pakistani, rape groomers, and the like?

Or are you perhaps being one-sided here and not looking at the horror of us all?


Violence aside, one group (The West) has been responsible for nearly all standard of living, technology and medical breakthroughs and the other has mostly been stuck in some 1800s machismo culture. Im not saying the west or israel are innocent of atrocities, but if you were to take out graph paper and and create a ration of lives of (death or suffering) to (lives/quality extended). One team absolutely MOPS the other.

Murder probably isnt the best way, but the idea that either side is clearly evil or the villain is far off.


Why are you including Israel in “the west”? What great contributions have come out of Israel? Seems to me, mostly spyware and mass dragnets.

Except for some great goa trance artists, I can’t think of much.


Man, a simple google would help. Lets start with the USB flash drive, Iron Dome, PillCam. The drip irrigation technology alone has transformed arrid farming. Factor in Mobileye, ICQ, Check Point's firewall and Waze and this is legit just in the last decade and half.

“Drip irrigation “ is hardly an Israeli invention.

The rest are just very minor software part of the dragnet? Who in their right mind would use check point today.

Everything developed by Israel is tainted and jacked into the Israeli surveillance state.


Ok, whats your favorite Jordanian or Lebanese invention of the last 15 years? How about Palestinian movie?

Soon USA will follow. Using arguments like child safety, terrorists and not supporting Israel.

Maybe there will be some reasonable limitations on this. Say only allowing it with in 2500km of the borders. Everything inside that is fair game for immigration officals.

But what do you think about Hongkong? Do the authorities there have valid reasons to do this? Any advices for Hongkong people? for visitors to Hongkong?

Israel and USA provoked the destruction of so many people, just like Russia. Purest for of evil, nothing can be done against such an evil force.

Israel did the same in Netherlands with the biggest telecom KPN.

And huawei too?

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