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> The image watermark makes it pretty clear it's a 3rd party seller.

Officially, watermarks and text on/in images is not allowed on Amazon, per their policy. (of course, enforcement varies). This means not seeing a watermark is not a good indication it's not a 3rd party seller. Better stated, absence of a watermark does not mean the item is sold by Amazon.

Nearly everything sold on Amazon these days is 3rd parties. I'd wager somewhere in the 95%+ range. Same with "Prime" items (these are just 3rd parties that use the FBA option).

> I do wish Amazon would vet the stuff they permit sale of on their site though.

This is simply not possible at this scale. Not to mention, there's no guarantee a product line that was vetted by Amazon doesn't somehow have it's firmware changed/modified/injected after the validation period.

Essentially, there's no way around these issues. They're not "Amazon" issues per-say, but rather product-line issues in general. Same thing could occur (and might already be occurring) from retail brick-and-mortar stores as well.



Can you provide a source for you 95%+ assertion?

I ask because I buy many things on Amazon and actively avoid 3rd party sellers. With that in mind, I almost never find something I'm looking for that is not available. There are a few exceptions from time to time, but they are rare.


I have no official source, only experience. My company has been selling on Amazon for over 6 years (we're medium-ish volume, 200+ orders a day on Amazon alone).

We're found majority of customers have no idea who they're buying from. Majority assume it's always Amazon, and often contact us about other orders they've recently placed, etc.

If you browse around Amazon, you'll notice items that have many "offers", clicking this link will show you the seller's who are listing that product. You'll notice how few Amazon.com is actually listed as a seller. Typically they're listing the top 10 items in any given category, but there's millions of products on Amazon, and very few they actually carry. When they are listed on an item, they're not always the best deal anymore.

We don't worry about competing with Amazon.com anymore, we worry about competing with our Chinese manufacturers (sometimes the same ones we source from!), who get USPS/US Gov't subsidized shipping (free shipping from China, and product costs ~1/2 of a US seller).

Amazon is transitioning into a seller platform, not a seller themselves. All the warehouses they keep popping up everywhere are mostly for FBA (Fulfilled by Amazon) warehouses, where 3rd party sellers send their products so that Amazon can warehouse them and ship them when there's a sale.

Amazon FBA is a fairly competitive fulfillment cost, sometimes beating our own internal fulfillment costs (we're stepping up our FBA game because of this, but unfortunately will ultimately result in fewer warehouse staff in our company).

Another secret - Amazon is rarely the best deal for any given item. Officially, policy says you must offer the "best deal" on Amazon, but this is never enforced in our experience. Amazon takes a commission of up-to 30% (depending on the item category), so unless you already have very healthy margins, you end up baking in an additional 30% to the retail price. Customer's pay your commission fees. So, if you find a product you want, see who the seller is, and try to find their website outside of Amazon.com. Chances are, the item will be up-to 30% cheaper (sometimes more!). Of course, this isn't an always guarantee, but it pays to check.


I'm very aware of who I buy from on Amazon, so hearing that people are confused is both surprising and not surprising. I've also done FBA integrations so I know about how all of that works as well.

I guess I can see some merit in your assertion if I consider it the long-tail of online sales. That likely explains why I never notice it as I don't hit that segment often and if I do I venture to other retailer sites.

As an insight into an Amazon customer though, I'm ok paying Amazon slightly more than a third party seller or other website. The reason is fairly simple. Trust. I've almost never had a situation where after contacting Amazon customer service I've been unhappy with the resolution. The only times it has happened are with third-party, non-FBA sales. There is little that Amazon can (or will) do to help you in those cases. Eventually if your are REALLY upset they try will try to make things right, but the initial process falls back to you and the random retailers. So, I really don't mind if Amazon's price is higher (slightly) as long as I know they have such liberal customer satisfaction procedures. This is obviously my experience. I've read of others that had bad experiences as well.


> There is little that Amazon can (or will) do to help you in those cases

Oh how I wish that were true!

As a buyer, your most powerful weapon is the A-Z Guarantee process.

Filing an A-Z is an almost guarantee you'll get your money back, or a new product for free (unless you're obviously at fault or provably pulling some sort of scam).

A-Z's significantly impact sales. They impact search visibility, "Buy Box" share time, and can even get your account(s) flagged for review (during which Amazon freezes all sales). A-Z's can be downright scary.

Sometimes Amazon pulls funds from the seller's account to refund the customer... and sometimes when the seller is obviously not at fault but the customer is still very unhappy, Amazon covers the refund themselves. Both impact the seller.

> So, I really don't mind if Amazon's price is higher

The real advantage Amazon has is the convenience. You can buy groceries, electronics, and clothing all at the same time, from the same website (even if it's multiple sellers you're actually ordering from). You can't get that really anywhere else.

It does pay to check the seller's website if they have one. You'll save money most of the time... but you lose convenience, and it's a hassle for some folks to shuttle around multiple websites.

> I know they have such liberal customer satisfaction procedures

True - but you really should try to support sellers off-Amazon. There's little risk if you checkout with a Visa/Mastercard/AMEX/PayPal. If you're not happy, all of these systems will get you your money back, most of the time (so long as you don't have a large history of chargebacks, etc...). Majority of sellers are out to help customers, not screw them over. Most will bend over backwards to help out a reasonable customer. It's a lot cheaper to keep you as a happy repeat customer than it is to acquire new customers.


> Nearly everything sold on Amazon these days is 3rd parties. I'd wager somewhere in the 95%+ range. Same with "Prime" items (these are just 3rd parties that use the FBA option).

This matches what I see. What's even more annoying is that it seems like every third party seller also has decided it's a good idea to spam me with emails asking for reviews after every purchase. Amazon provides no way of unsubscribing from there (they block one particular seller if you contact them, which is utterly useless)


There's a few things that may be happening.

Amazon, themselves, will send 2 notifications about a week apart, for feedback on the order.

But yes, a lot of sellers have started emailing customers as well. On average, and other sellers agree, about 10% of customers leave order feedback. Order feedback is critical to gaining search visibility on Amazon, so sellers live and die by feedback... this is the main motive behind trying to solicit it where possible.


95% is absolutely not accurate. Amzn's latest annual report (put out April 6th 2016) states ”close to 50% of units sold on Amazon are sold by third-party sellers."


50% of units sold, not 50% of products listed.

As mentioned, Amazon tends to list the top 10 products in most categories, so naturally they'll get a lot of units sold, but the overwhelming majority of all products listed on Amazon.com are 3rd party sellers.

You can look for yourself, it's fairly obvious.


You literally say 'items sold' in your post above

> Nearly everything sold on Amazon these days is 3rd parties. I'd wager somewhere in the 95%+ range


I was a little liberal in my wording, the intention was items listed for sale. "What's being sold on Amazon", "Are those sold on Amazon"... etc...

And again... don't take my word for it... go take a gander yourself. It's very obvious once you look at a few products...




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