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It's not terrible. Twitter just isn't your preferred venue so you find it unnatural. It's natural for me to read and for others to read and for the author to have written on Twitter.

Why not put it elsewhere? Twitter is our place. And we like when content is natively published there. I have no interest in Facebook or Instagram or LinkedIn or Tumblr but I don't insist all the content in those places shouldn't be there. If all those people came to Twitter it would be a nightmare.



> It's not terrible

Low text density, atrocious typography, breaking of standard grammar, arbitrarily-spaced interruptions, no inline images (for mobile), limited external links and quotations, no headings, no custom formatting, random interruptions from other users.

I really can't fathom an argument that Twitter is in any way optimal for reading content of any length. Value added is exclusively in convenience and social factors.


Constraints can be a virtue. The barrier to entry for making a Tweet is very low, so there are a lot of people who do it. To get the features you've listed, you may need something like Wordpress, where the barrier is much higher. You also know everyone who reads your tweet will consume it in largely the same way for as long as Twitter exists.


All of these are priority and value judgements.

The author sees all that very differently from how you do.

Additionally, there are numerous others, myself included, who see it differently.

Frankly, I am quite happy to take it however an author feels they can share it. Often, that brings context of value to me as well.

Not all of us care about optimal when reading. It is just reading. No big.


Naysayers:

They have the compelling story and publish as they see fit.

You read, or not, because non optimal.

They still have the compelling stories, still publish as they see fit.

Audience either way, because compelling.

Thought experiment for you:

There are two radio stations. One airs compelling content at low quality. Usable, but not produced optimally.

The other demonstrates production excellence, but just is not all that compelling.

Which do you listen to? Which do most people listen to and why?

That is what is happening here.


You and gdulli (and soon to be me I'm sure) are being mass-downvoted by people who trend way older than the current people using social media, who grew up on blogs and written form, and thus hate everything new.

I personally prefer reading a blog too, but I realize that some people who have adaptive issues (the OP has severe ADHD and only writes effectively on Twitter, something basically no one criticizing him has looked for despite it being posted in these very comments) prefer this form, and some young people just hate blogging and prefer the tumblr/social media methods.

The content is being created, which is more than we can say for the majority of people bitching about how it is created.


Your comment would IMHO be a lot better without the first paragraph speculating about other commenters.


The comments would be a lot better without seeing 6-7 completely reasonable posts being mass-downvoted and greyed out with a bunch of people complaining and seeing their comments solidly in the black. So no, I disagree with your premise, hence why I posted it in the first place.


You hide your best argument after a paragraph effectively calling people old farts for disagreeing (I know plenty people in their twenties that hate Twitter), so don't be surprised if they don't finish reading your comment or fail to consider it seriously.


One of the more productive responses is to just unroll it for others.


I am old enough to appreciate more traditional form and style. Your initial paragraph could be speaking right to me. I do not care, but some might!

Just saying :D

Made a decision during the early 00's: embrace the new. Flow.

Basically, I am willing, and often do the work to remain able to return comms to me, or that I encounter, using the same transport, norms and style.

This has not been all that tough. Often, doing it is super interesting too.

I have had entire emoji / gif conversations with younger people, for example. I found out having a pen on my phone gave me superpowers too. Uber decorations! My 3 yr old granddaughter can't read yet, but does understand emoji and texts then to me all the time.

What will the norms be when she comes of age? I may live long enough to find out! And it will be fun.

The thing that got me moving this way is time spent with my own kids online. Old era chat. Being with them was like immersion.

One day, I dropped a string of typical chatter on a forum where us parents were talking about kids online. I translated it to make a point.

That point was lost amidst a ton of meta from parents:

YOU CAN READ THAT?

Yes, and could speak it then too.

I had broadband, most homes did not. I would come home from work to see a pile of kids all doing stuff online on the old machines I kept setting up. Had a few older workstations as Internet stations.

Edit: side note, those kids used Win NT, Win 98, Linux, IRIX (lol, an indy) and did not care, other than for how to launch a browser and find a file, or make a picture. /side note

Until that moment, I had no idea there was such a profound chasm and that many people have trouble getting across!

Truth is, the younger peeps among us are often where the fun stuff is. And nobody has to know you are old on the Internet.

:D

My inner 12 year old is always pleased when I find myself on the occasional lark into strange lands online. Younger family members know this. They will reach out, and when I respond in like kind, they share. More people should try it.

At any given time there is a sea of younger people seeking to establish their norms and identity online, and the difference between now and back then is everyone doing that fresh (so many getting online together), where today many have done it and have solidified some, leaving newbies to their play more isolated.

This appears to work just like music used to.

Anyone old enough, pre Internet basically, remembers decades of music. Most imprint during their teen years. And they sort of lock in, quit exploring.

Interestingly, I love experiencing new music so much that I also made a similar decision in the 90's having felt music begin to move on without me. That is to sample the new and talk to people during their formularive years for insight as to where the trends are. New music is fun! (And can be strange, annoying, beautiful, all that)

TL;DR: We all get old, and getting older sucks. If we do the work to retain our sense of play, getting older sucks a lot less.

Play. You will live longer and have more fun and likely not get an optimal output from your life too. But you will have had fun and will likely improve on the net happiness in the world.


You're listing values or things that are specific to your client or your understanding of the platform. For example, I didn't see "random interruptions from other users" when I read that because I know the best way to consume that content isn't on my timeline.

And it's fine not to like Twitter or not be savvy with it or not be interested in becoming savvy with it. But when you see an absolute position that one's values are the only correct ones it should set off loud bullshit alarms in your head whether it's someone else making the argument or it's you. Especially if it's you, because you have more to gain by remembering your own humility than helping someone else find theirs.


Twitter's code and formatting very often causes chunks of threads to become detached, and it's not a simple matter of whether you're on your timeline.

And especially with replies, twitter has very strong opinions about what to show you and 'savvy' doesn't override that.

And defaults matter. Complaints about the standard client are valid complaints.


>Twitter's code and formatting very often causes chunks of threads to become detached,

This nearly never happens these days. About the only time I see it is from the President.


> But when you see an absolute position that one's values are the only correct ones it should set off loud bullshit alarms in your head whether it's someone else making the argument or it's you.

This is literally everyone in these comments authoritatively deciding what the best way to consume content is. It's absurdly self-serving.


Imagine a feature length movie delivered as 300 webms.


Searching (2018) shows what can be accomplished for storytelling with hard constraints on the medium.


One could make another movie about all that transpired during the consumption of the original made this way.




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