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Technology shapes conversations and changes in the way technology works has changed the way the conversations have happened.

> 10 or 15 years ago people looked at web 1.0, saw many good communities and valuable conversations and said "we need to protect free speech".

Look at how the conversations happened. They were in places like forums and forums were often around topics. I belonged to many forums on topics and the general conversation was around those (with some water cooler).

This is worthy of protecting. Just this week I ended up in a forum on a topic because I was trying to figure out how to repair something and there was discussion around people on it. Very valuable.

> Today people looks at Twitter/Facebook/YouTube/Reddit, see mismanaged cesspools and declare that we need centralized speech control.

These are general conversation channels with the exception of Reddit. They are also paired with targeted ads. They tend to be short form. In a forum I see all the things and navigate it. In Twitter/FB/etc I see what they put in front of me. They control the flow of information.

The platforms the conversations are happening on are shaping the conversations themselves. This cannot be discounted.



Going unremarked in this nostalgia is that those old forums were still moderated, sometimes heavily, and the #1 tool was the ban hammer. It was not a free speech love-in. Hell, Something Awful would automatically replace your post with "yams" if you merely hit a trigger word, if you weren't ejected outright.


This is an interesting point. But being banned from a small forum feels like disassociation. Being banned from a huge central platform—the de facto public square—feels a lot less like free speech.

Maybe a better way of thinking about this is that “free speech” on the Internet is about decentralization of small communities even if many of those communities themselves skew authoritarian? If you are banned from a small private gathering, everyone’s practical speech rights remain in-tact. You aren’t banned from the larger system.


And, one might add, unmoderated fora like Usenet were cesspools also back then.

Of course, Usenet was mostly techies and there were no teams of data scientists optimizing for clicks.


Bringing up moderation is a good point. But, it isn't so simple.

Moderation isn't something that's changed. Forums and modern social media both moderate. They do it to varying degrees.

Social media moderation comes in multiple forms. First they will choose which posts people see in their feed. This is a form of moderation. It's easy to have topics and even people just not show up. What shows up is based around engagement and money.

There is also moderation about content. People can be labeled or removed from visibility.

Then there is banning where banning isn't on the topic but the whole system. And the systems are tied to other things (e.g., banning on FB impacts your Oculus ownership).

Old school forums were based on topics and were different systems. They were moderated, if they were, for that system. The moderation was typically around content you posted. They didn't control the flow or order you saw it in. It was the content.

When banning came up, it was just for that form. So, if someone is banned from a jeep owners forum they are just fine interacting in a forum on web design.

I say this to note that the way the technology is developed has an impact on the way people act.

For example, these days there are people who don't want to speak out on some topics because they are fearful they will be banned or negatively impacted globally.

I'm not suggesting how the technology should be built. I'm trying to point out how the system design impacts the way people think and behave. Older systems were designed differently and had a different impact. It's worth noting these things.


I think the problem is that most people use mobile phones, rather then computer workstations. In the 90's everyone had a proper PC workstation. But now people have touch screens instead. You wont type long blog posts or participate in lengthy forum discussions using a touch screen. If you would put a graph with PC sales vs pads and phones showing the last 30 years you would see where it shifted from creating/consuming to passive/consuming. There are still normal PC users, it's just that the number have now grown much, while the number of touch screen users has grown exponentially.


I've read that there are books composed in the form of text messages. People like the short style. The impact of this is that people who read that way end up with lower literacy. Full length books are hard for them to read.

The shift in screen size is an interesting one. The technology influences the content and even the way we think. It's not a passive element.




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