> It's a fairly hostile place to be if you're not German even if you're white. It can also be hostile even if you're German but not white.
BS. If Germany were that hostile it wouldn't attract the biggest migration waves from non-white African and Middle Eastern countries in all of Europe. And now home to over one million Ukrainians.
>Let me tell you as someone who lives in Germany right now: the vast majority of 1M Syrian refugees will never, ever, ever integrate into German society.
Again, BS. Most Syrians I met spoke much better German than techie expats who were entitled enough to think that learning German is something beneath them, only mandatory for the lower classes of immigrants doing blue collar work, while they should be somehow exempt because they're special snowflakes who push code to git in English at work so the whole society should switch to English for their ~2% demographic of SW devs to accommodate their laziness of not bothering to integrate and learn the local language of their host country they choose to move into.
>Even if you change your name to Winfried and got C2 German, you'll still never be accepted here.
Again, more biased BS. I did my best to learn German and mostly hanged out, dated and socialized in German circles instead of English speaking expat circles so I could integrate better, and was always accepted and never discriminated by the Germans because I was a foreigner. I even became friends with people working at the German Government in Berlin or with kids of upper class Bavarians who owned vacation homes in Sylt or Austria. Of course you will find bigoted racists everywhere, but I found the Germans to be very friendly and inclusive if you show willingness to integrate.
How far do you think you'd go without English fluency as an immigrant in US or UK?
>As if Germany is doing everyone a favour by letting people move there. If there was no demographic crisis then immigration would be practically impossible. I am doing Germany a favour by moving here at least as much as they are doing me a favour by letting me.
Germany is a democratic country responsible to provide to the German citizens with voting rights. It's not a country founded by immigrants, like the US, who focuses on pandering to non-German immigrants. If Germany has decided it wants to commit demographic suicide then so be it, it's well within their rights to do so, what gives us foreigners the right to complain about it when we voluntarily chose to come here? Their country, their rules. No like? Vote with your feet and choose another country. Expats make the mistake of expecting Germany to be like Europe's USA.
Let's be real here, you didn't benevolently move to Germany to save their demographics like some superhero, but you did it because you found a good economic opportunity in doing so for yourself. Germany didn't kidnap you and bring you here against your will to save their economy, you voluntarily decide to come because it benefited you. Then it's our responsibility as guest to integrate in their society, and not vice versa.
Again, how far do you think you'd go without English fluency as an immigrant in US or UK?
>I'm an academic in a fairly obscure branch of physics so in this case I can categorically say that I do have those rare skills. Living in Germany mostly makes no sense if you're not German or not a refugee.
Then why are you staying in a country you feel doesn't like you? If you're such a special immigrant, why aren't you voting with your feet and moving to a country that is more accommodating to your kind?
Question: if you'd leave, would the German GDP or company you work for collapse in your absence? If not, maybe you're not as special as you think and the country is doing fine without you as well.
The problem is your argument boils down to: you are a guest in Germany and you are completely disposable so shut the fuck up or fuck off. It's a take one hears loudest from the AfD and old German Boomers, the same sort shouting at you in the street for some perceived infraction. I found this sort of attitude objectionable and xenophobic when I was living in my home country (the UK, where your argument is again mostly held by old racist boomers or EDF types), and I find it as bad now I myself am an immigrant. If you want to live in a society where immigrants opinions are widely accepted as worthless "because they should just leave", then great, maybe that's why Germany worked out well for you. But I just don't agree with your idea of how a country should integrate and welcome newcomers, because it's bordering on fascist and plainly inhumane. In any case I can speak German, but I don't use my own German proficiency as a tool to beat other immigrants with (as you're doing now, which is quite sad). Just one further comment:
>Again, how far do you think you'd go without English fluency as an immigrant in US or UK?
Which is precisely why I said: don't bother moving to Germany if you don't speak German already or are not a refugee, which cover both your points "why do refugees come here then" and "learn the language", but it seems you cannot read.
I think you're drawing the wrong conclusions from my comment based on your need to vent because you have a chip on your shoulder because you feel like Germany didn't roll the red carped enough for you.
Whether you like it or not it's always the immigrants who should integrate into their new country, not the country to change centuries of culture and identity around for the immigrants. Germany is already welcoming enough to immigrants as it is. The best in EU I'd say, as other countries are much worse.
And each country has their own mentality and national identity developed over centuries, and as flawed as they may be in your viewpoint, these don't change overnight just because you decided to move in and don't like it there.
Blaming my viewpoint and calling it racist, for your personal (maybe flawed) life choices in immigration and your lack of success in integration, won't really help you, because yes, it's just like a relationship. If you don't like it somewhere, then pack up and leave. Simple.
If you want to change things in your favor then get citizenship and vote, or walk somewhere else that fits your personal view. It's not a racist viewpoint, it's just the cold hard truth of how all societies work in real life, and refusing to integrate somewhere is just rude and counter productive to everyone.
Venting on the internet that the country you voluntarily moved to doesn't give you the special treatment you were expecting, is just laughable and pointless.
People keep bashing Germany that it's the worst welcoming for expats, yet they won't stop coming to Germany:)) So because people won't stop coming, anbbecause nobody walks away, Germany will never see the need to change anything. Simple.
I don't regret my choice, I met a nice woman here and I have a good job. But I don't adopt the unambiguous slave mentality that you advocate and I have my eyes more open about the country's problems than you.
>Venting on the internet that the country you voluntarily moved to doesn't give you the special treatment you were expecting, is just laughable and pointless.
Yes, and unrolling the red white and black in defence of the Reich online is also quite laughable, especially as you claim to not even be German. In the end we are both wasting our time, but I'd rather be on the internet trying to seriously discuss something than aping this strange ultranationalist performance piece of yours. Better still would be to not engage at all.
>But I don't adopt the unambiguous slave mentality that you advocate
Sorry, but equating integrating and being assimilated into a developed country to having a "slave mentality" is complete horeshit and makes you look completely out of touch with reality if this is how you see things.
>unrolling the red white and black in defence of the Reich
Where the hell did you come up with this? I never said anything like this. You must be tripping.
So strange to meet a German ultranationalist who claims to not even be German. Truly a unique experience, you may even be the only such person who exists on the planet. Thank you for sharing yourself with us.
BS. If Germany were that hostile it wouldn't attract the biggest migration waves from non-white African and Middle Eastern countries in all of Europe. And now home to over one million Ukrainians.
>Let me tell you as someone who lives in Germany right now: the vast majority of 1M Syrian refugees will never, ever, ever integrate into German society.
Again, BS. Most Syrians I met spoke much better German than techie expats who were entitled enough to think that learning German is something beneath them, only mandatory for the lower classes of immigrants doing blue collar work, while they should be somehow exempt because they're special snowflakes who push code to git in English at work so the whole society should switch to English for their ~2% demographic of SW devs to accommodate their laziness of not bothering to integrate and learn the local language of their host country they choose to move into.
>Even if you change your name to Winfried and got C2 German, you'll still never be accepted here.
Again, more biased BS. I did my best to learn German and mostly hanged out, dated and socialized in German circles instead of English speaking expat circles so I could integrate better, and was always accepted and never discriminated by the Germans because I was a foreigner. I even became friends with people working at the German Government in Berlin or with kids of upper class Bavarians who owned vacation homes in Sylt or Austria. Of course you will find bigoted racists everywhere, but I found the Germans to be very friendly and inclusive if you show willingness to integrate.
How far do you think you'd go without English fluency as an immigrant in US or UK?
>As if Germany is doing everyone a favour by letting people move there. If there was no demographic crisis then immigration would be practically impossible. I am doing Germany a favour by moving here at least as much as they are doing me a favour by letting me.
Germany is a democratic country responsible to provide to the German citizens with voting rights. It's not a country founded by immigrants, like the US, who focuses on pandering to non-German immigrants. If Germany has decided it wants to commit demographic suicide then so be it, it's well within their rights to do so, what gives us foreigners the right to complain about it when we voluntarily chose to come here? Their country, their rules. No like? Vote with your feet and choose another country. Expats make the mistake of expecting Germany to be like Europe's USA.
Let's be real here, you didn't benevolently move to Germany to save their demographics like some superhero, but you did it because you found a good economic opportunity in doing so for yourself. Germany didn't kidnap you and bring you here against your will to save their economy, you voluntarily decide to come because it benefited you. Then it's our responsibility as guest to integrate in their society, and not vice versa.
Again, how far do you think you'd go without English fluency as an immigrant in US or UK?
>I'm an academic in a fairly obscure branch of physics so in this case I can categorically say that I do have those rare skills. Living in Germany mostly makes no sense if you're not German or not a refugee.
Then why are you staying in a country you feel doesn't like you? If you're such a special immigrant, why aren't you voting with your feet and moving to a country that is more accommodating to your kind?
Question: if you'd leave, would the German GDP or company you work for collapse in your absence? If not, maybe you're not as special as you think and the country is doing fine without you as well.