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Can this have the potential of having the MoviePass type outcome? Also, wouldn’t this overcrowd public transit?


Overcrowding is the best thing that could happen, we need more public transport users as quickly as possible.

Then, of course, the guy in charge who doesn't know how road signs work would have to take care of spending further investments, which is probably going to accidentally land in car infrastructure.


> Overcrowding is the best thing that could happen, we need more public transport users as quickly as possible.

Unless the capacity of public transport grows as well, no.

> Then, of course, the guy in charge who doesn't know how road signs work would have to take care of spending further investments, which is probably going to accidentally land in car infrastructure.

Roads aren't just for cars but also trucks which are the backbone of German logistics.


Previous poster obviously meant "overcrowding is the fastest / most efficient way to get more capacity", that was implicit yet obvious to me.

You may agree or not with this point but answering beside the point is not helpful.


Certainly that's a risk, but I'd hope they've done some projections on it.

I'm not all that worried that this will cause overcrowding since I'd wager many people who bought the first round of tickets are just transferring over their current local subscription to the national one. Both my wife and I did that for example.

It is worth noting that this ticket is 10€ cheaper than our prior subscription, which I expect will result in a solid bit less revenue for the regional transit authorities. With a system that's already straining from under-investment, hopefully this doesn't compound already existing problems.


It's backed/subsidised by the government, so a MoviePass outcome is unlikely, because nobody expects it to ever be profitable.


Local public transport is mainly being paid for by the local county and city councils, who in turn are often relatively cash-strapped and cannot cover large revenue shortfalls on their own.

Local and regional mainline railway services are being paid for by the state governments, who however in turn are to a large extent relying on federal grants paid for that purpose [1].

The new ticketing scheme was instigated at the behest of the federal government, which has the biggest financing power, but has only pledged a limited (technically unlimited this year, but since the new ticketing scheme only became effective in May, it's very unlikely that the original fixed amount will be exceeded this year) amount for covering any revenue shortfalls up to 2025 (and strong-armed the states into pledging the same amount of money for that period, too).

So if it turns out that the combination of cheaper tickets, still present after-effects of the pandemic (i.e. loss of ridership and revenue) and current inflation means that losses are higher than expected, there's plenty of scope for finger-pointing and pushing the blame around, and at least localised service cuts in more cash-strapped cities and counties (respectively states, in the case of mainline railways) remain a possibility.

[1] Historically, local/regional services were operated and paid for by the then Federal Railways. When, in preparation for privatisation of the railways, the responsibility for contracting for/tendering of those services was transferred to the state governments, they also received a corresponding financial grant in return for taking on that responsibility. It might or might not have been the original intention, but in practice those federal grants are the main source of financing for local/regional mainline services to this day.


There was already a 9€ ticket last year, while I wansnt in Germany at that time I didn't read a lot about overcrowding. With a more expensive ticket the effect will probably be even smaller today, though in the long run all trains will probably get more filled up.


> There was already a 9€ ticket last year, while I wansnt in Germany at that time I didn't read a lot about overcrowding.

There actually was a lot of overcrowding in the local and regional trains.


> I didn't read a lot about overcrowding

Everybody I know complained about it. The 9€ ticket didn’t cover the ICE trains and instead put more strain on those lines that are already needed by lower- to median income commuters. Regional train lines have rush hours too and during those 9€ Tickets months some wild videos went viral, where things got heated between old and „new“ users




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