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the return is 30p/mile, which is still considerably cheaper than driving

(HMRC rate is 45p/mile, which constitutes insurance, capital cost, wear, petrol, etc)

the single pricing is because they don't want to sell singles at all, but remember that return lets you come back upto a month later (your choice when)



So two in the car is cheaper, and with the sunk costs of car ownership most people will find it cheaper to drive alone.

Very often I don't want to return. I can fly to Manchester, visit family, take the train to Derby, visit friends, continue to London and fly home.

I can't book advance tickets as the plane might be late, and I can't use a return journey ticket.

It's all ridiculous, and I don't understand how anyone can defend it.

Here in Denmark I can travel tomorrow (leaving at 02.35 if I want to, good luck trying that in England...) to Århus for about £50, any time of day. That's 300km, London to Derby is only 200km.

Booked in advance I can roughly halve the fare, but I don't feel punished if I'm unable to commit to that.


> It's all ridiculous, and I don't understand how anyone can defend it.

it's a ultimately a difference in philosophy

UK governments over the past 30 years have decided that passengers should pay to run the railway, rather than the taxpayer out of general taxation

if you look at the distribution of earnings of those who use the railways you could even call this a progressive policy

meanwhile most European countries chose the other way round




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