What an incoherent mess. And yet you have the audacity to call my comment fallacious and arrogant. I'm floored. Consider peering into a mirror sometime.
> Pointing out the "socialist" in NSDAP or whatever is idiotic.
Where did I make this claim exactly? In fact, the essence of your claim here agrees with mine. The label does not give us a certain picture of the thing labeled.
> The other slight of hand you're doing is reification - talking about an abstract concept as if it were concrete. Again, where is the national hq of Antifa? You can't tell me because there isn't one. And that is because it is not a single, organized movement.
What? Reification has no relevance here. I never made any comment about the institutional status of the movement. Of course, for "Antifa" to have any meaning, it must refer to something, right? My only remark concerned the relation between label and labeled. I was criticizing a fallacious inference from the former to the latter.
> When people like you say they are anti antifa, it doesn't take a lot of IQ to read between the lines. You don't need there to be a single formal entity to fight against because you are not against a concrete, specific movement. You are against the idea of anti fascism.
What truly bizarre remark. Calling this projection would be an understatement. Perhaps log off social media? I didn't say anything about my personal stance w.r.t. "Antifa" (whatever you mean by that). AGAIN, my comment was a correction of the earlier claim that because "Antifa" stands for "antifascism", it follows that whatever falls under the name of "Antifa" is antifascist. This is called the nominal fallacy. That's it. The rest is your baggage, I'm afraid. And frankly, it is comical to hear someone claim that if they're against "Antifa", you must be against "anti-fascism", whatever that means, given how ignorant of the meaning of the word "fascism" so many are who throw around that term.
> Although at odds with the official narrative of your country, this is hardly surprising or unprecedented. The US has a long and rich history of being anti anti fascist, or more simply, pro fascist.
You don't know what my country is. You might be surprised by the truth. (FYI, my family suffered under a brutal double occupation, by both a certain fascist state, and by a certain socialist/communist state. Chew on that.) You know nothing about me, but you certainly presume a good deal and have placed me in a box in your intellectually impoverished worldview. Your views are childish and shallow, full of weird personal attacks; I suggest you try to enrich yourself instead of lazily absorbing what is clearly an unsophisticated and emotionally unhinged ideological stance. You don't have to fall prey to the insane cultural and political patterns and paradigms of our times.
There was no "snark" or personal attack on my first comment, unlike yours, which is now just eristic and name-calling.
My mistake on assuming you were an American, I apologize (neither am I) - you did write "Frankly, our political situation is rife with insanity" though, and this is a topic about something happening in the US.
My point is that Americans tend to fabricate a concrete Antifa (which does not exist as a single entity) so that they can use it as a proxy to attacking the idea itself. It is not yet acceptable to be openly pro-fascism, but it is very much acceptable to be against terrorism, which is how the US government classifies Antifa ("Domestic Terrorist Organization ").
So you got my point backwards: I'm not saying that these people are pro-fascism because they are anti-Antifa, I'm saying many Americans are already pro-fascism, and a politically acceptable way to express that today is by being anti-antifa -- which does not mean that _all_ people against specific Antifa-related groups are pro-fascist.
> Pointing out the "socialist" in NSDAP or whatever is idiotic.
Where did I make this claim exactly? In fact, the essence of your claim here agrees with mine. The label does not give us a certain picture of the thing labeled.
> The other slight of hand you're doing is reification - talking about an abstract concept as if it were concrete. Again, where is the national hq of Antifa? You can't tell me because there isn't one. And that is because it is not a single, organized movement.
What? Reification has no relevance here. I never made any comment about the institutional status of the movement. Of course, for "Antifa" to have any meaning, it must refer to something, right? My only remark concerned the relation between label and labeled. I was criticizing a fallacious inference from the former to the latter.
> When people like you say they are anti antifa, it doesn't take a lot of IQ to read between the lines. You don't need there to be a single formal entity to fight against because you are not against a concrete, specific movement. You are against the idea of anti fascism.
What truly bizarre remark. Calling this projection would be an understatement. Perhaps log off social media? I didn't say anything about my personal stance w.r.t. "Antifa" (whatever you mean by that). AGAIN, my comment was a correction of the earlier claim that because "Antifa" stands for "antifascism", it follows that whatever falls under the name of "Antifa" is antifascist. This is called the nominal fallacy. That's it. The rest is your baggage, I'm afraid. And frankly, it is comical to hear someone claim that if they're against "Antifa", you must be against "anti-fascism", whatever that means, given how ignorant of the meaning of the word "fascism" so many are who throw around that term.
> Although at odds with the official narrative of your country, this is hardly surprising or unprecedented. The US has a long and rich history of being anti anti fascist, or more simply, pro fascist.
You don't know what my country is. You might be surprised by the truth. (FYI, my family suffered under a brutal double occupation, by both a certain fascist state, and by a certain socialist/communist state. Chew on that.) You know nothing about me, but you certainly presume a good deal and have placed me in a box in your intellectually impoverished worldview. Your views are childish and shallow, full of weird personal attacks; I suggest you try to enrich yourself instead of lazily absorbing what is clearly an unsophisticated and emotionally unhinged ideological stance. You don't have to fall prey to the insane cultural and political patterns and paradigms of our times.